https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/03/07/geforce_partner_program_impacts_consumer_choice
简单说下大概意思
GPP的好处：有各种显卡开发支持，游戏捆绑优惠，销售回扣，社交媒体和公关支持 ，市场营销报告 ， 营销发展基金等等。。。。
不参加GPP的坏处：GPU芯片供应等等。。。。。
GPP对AMD的坏处：例如ASUS ROG成为GPP合作伙伴，就不能出ROG的AMD 显卡等等。。。
NV推出GPP的原因：AMD和intel合作搞我，我要反击！
One thing we know is that NVIDIA has made a lot of enemies over the years. You can easily put AMD, Apple, and Intel on that list. We think that GPP is somewhat the result of those "feuds" with NVIDIA attempting to gain more control over the market as it is seeing its competitors developing products (ie AMD and Intel partnerships on products) that will not be open to NVIDIA.
GeForce Partner Program Impacts Consumer Choice
To open up this bit of reporting, which will contain some editorial as well, I think our motives should be clear. In discussions with NVIDIA over the last few weeks, NVIDIA asked us exactly what our concerns were about the GPP program. This was our reply and should frame exactly why we are writing this.
Kyle Bennett: "I think it [GPP] is going to greatly, and negatively, impact consumer choice in the AIB and OEM computer market. Consumer choice is going to be decimated. Looking at the program guidelines, I truly think that is what will happen and is where my concern lies."
Before we go any further, in the effort to be as transparent as possible, we need to let you know that AMD came to us and presented us with "this story." AMD shopped this story with other websites as well. However, with the information that was presented to us by AMD, there was no story to be told, but it surely pointed to one that was worth looking into. There needed to be some legwork done in collecting facts and interviews.
At this point you're probably wondering, "What is NVIDIA GPP?" A couple of weeks after we began questioning NVIDIA on GPP, it put up an article on its blog.nvidia.com domain entitled, "GeForce Partner Program Helps Gamers Know What They're Buying." Here what John Teeple, Director - Partner Marketing at NVIDIA, has to say about GPP.
In our latest effort to better serve gamers, we're introducing our GeForce Partner Program.
The GPU and software of a gaming PC make all the difference in a gamer's experience. And together with our add-in card and system partners, we're dedicated to building the best PC gaming platform bar-none -- this is the GeForce promise.
The GeForce Partner Program is designed to ensure that gamers have full transparency into the GPU platform and software they're being sold, and can confidently select products that carry the NVIDIA GeForce promise.
This transparency is only possible when NVIDIA brands and partner brands are consistent. So the new program means that we'll be promoting our GPP partner brands across the web, on social media, at events and more. And GPP partners will get early access to our latest innovations, and work closely with our engineering team to bring the newest technologies to gamers.
Partners are signing up, fast. They see the benefit of keeping brands and communication consistent and transparent.
The program isn't exclusive. Partners continue to have the ability to sell and promote products from anyone. Partners choose to sign up for the program, and they can stop participating any time. There's no commitment to make any monetary payments or product discounts for being part of the program.
GPP ensures our engineering and marketing efforts support brands consumers associate with GeForce. That transparency will give gamers the confidence needed to make their purchase, whichever products they choose
Admittedly, GPP sounds like a good program on the surface, but after digging into documentation and interviews with OEMs and AIBs in the past weeks, the warm and fuzzies quickly subside. HardOCP has been in the computer hardware review business for over 20 years now, and we have made an abundance of contacts along the way. In order for our preparation to write this article, we have spent the last three weeks talking to OEMs and AIBs in the industry that do business with NVIDIA on a large scale. Given how GPP is all about "transparency," you might think that those OEMs and AIBs would be chomping at the bit to get some free press on how those companies are part of the GPP program.
We have contacted seven companies about their part in NVIDIA GPP and not one of the seven would talk to us on the record if they spoke to us about it at all. The ones that did speak to us have done so anonymously, in fear of losing their jobs, or having retribution placed upon them or their companies by NVIDIA. All of the people that I did interview at AIBs and at OEMs did however have the same thoughts on GPP. 1.) They think that it has terms that are likely illegal. 2.) GPP is likely going to tremendously hurt consumers' choices. 3.) It will disrupt business with the companies that they are currently doing business with, namely AMD and Intel.
The crux of the issue with NVIDIA GPP comes down to a single requirement in order to be part of GPP. In order to have access to the GPP program, its partners must have its "Gaming Brand Aligned Exclusively With GeForce." I have read documents with this requirement spelled out on it.
What would it mean to have your "Gaming Brand Aligned Exclusively With GeForce?" The example that will likely resonate best with HardOCP readers is the ASUS Republic of Gamers brand. I have no knowledge if ASUS is a GPP partner, I am simply using the ROG brand hypothetically. If ASUS is an NVIDIA GPP partner, and it wants to continue to use NVIDIA GPUs in its ROG branded video cards, computers, and laptops, it can no longer sell any other company's GPUs in ROG products. So if ASUS want to keep building NVIDIA-based ROG video cards, it can no longer sell AMD-based ROG video cards, and be a GPP partner.
NVIDIA will tell you that it is 100% up to its partner company to be part of GPP, and from the documents I have read, if it chooses not to be part of GPP, it will lose the benefits of GPP which include: high-effort engineering engagements -- early tech engagement -- launch partner status -- game bundling -- sales rebate programs -- social media and PR support -- marketing reports -- Marketing Development Funds (MDF). MDF is likely the standout in that list of lost benefits if the company is not a GPP partner.
As you might recall, we have seen onerous terms such as those contained in GPP to have many similarities to Intel's once monopolistic business practices (versus AMD) in withholding MDF to partners. The results of that situation were huge multi-billion dollar fines for Intel. GPP has some striking similarities.
What is disturbing is that we have been told that if a company does not participate in GPP, those companies feel as if NVIDIA would hold back allocation of GPUs from their inventories. From all we have talked to, the issue of not allocating GPU inventories to non-GPP partners have not been spelled out contractually, but is rather done on a wink and a nod.
The motivations behind this GPP move by NVIDIA is somewhat confusing at first blush. Why would a company that owns ~70% market share, and has no true high-end competition make a move like this? Many people that I have spoken to fully question the legality of the GeForce Partner Program. Interestingly enough, we think that the roots of GPP makes it way all the way back and somewhat dovetails with our From ATI to AMD back to ATI? A Journey in Futility article published in May of 2016. That was the first time that the world got wind of AMD getting into bed with Intel to do some GPU business. We believe at that time NVIDIA put another "exclusive" plan into place, however by a different name, and the GeForce Partner Program we are seeing now is somewhat an extension of that previous program.
One thing we know is that NVIDIA has made a lot of enemies over the years. You can easily put AMD, Apple, and Intel on that list. We think that GPP is somewhat the result of those "feuds" with NVIDIA attempting to gain more control over the market as it is seeing its competitors developing products (ie AMD and Intel partnerships on products) that will not be open to NVIDIA.
As mentioned above, NVIDIA questioned my concerns and I copied and posted those above. There was however a lot more in that email that I wrote to NVIDIA on February 22nd and I am going to quote that below. To date, NVIDIA has never responded to that email or the concerns put forth in it.
This is a big story, but it all goes much further than consumer choice, however it does not matter to me on a personal level beyond that. I am just being my tech journalistic self, which I have to do from time to time. And after the story I wrote about AMD in 2016 on the Intel/AMD deal and the politics attached to that, this story is going to get a LOT of exposure now that HardOCP's credibility has been returned, if not exalted since all the truth came out on that. I am making sure all my I's are dotted and T's crossed and have already prepared my lawyers with what I need to win any sort of lawsuit that might come out of this. They feel I am on solid ground and have signed off on moving forward.
There will certainly be follow up stories written by many websites though, that have a much better grasp of the financial side of this.
I would highly, actually, almost assuredly suggest that GPP is going to open NVIDIA to lawsuits from AMD and Intel. That alone is going to cause NVIDIA to shoulder financial burden. The OEMs and AIBs will not sue NVIDIA, but they will be deposed for years on this and the concerns about that are already being voiced in a very big way. Intel paying $1B+ for anticompetitive practices is one thing, but Jensen having to explain it to your shareholders is going to be a very big deal in terms of NVIDIA stock price. I have to guess that AMD and Intel's latest foray into business together has gotten Jensen worried enough to roll the bones though.
It is my opinion that GPP is not a good business plan for a company that is dominating in terms of both product performance and market share.
As for the timeline for my story, I am wrestling with timing on its publication currently. Publishing before GPP contracts are signed or after GPP contracts are signed? I still have not decided on that.
At publication time, NVIDIA has not returned our request for the list of companies that will be involved in its GeForce Partner Program.
There is no doubt that NVIDIA GPP has some striking similarities to what Intel has done in the past that has been deemed "anticompetitive conduct" by the Federal Trade Commision. We would not be surprised to see regulators in the US, Europe, and Asia want to take a closer look at GPP as well.
It was expressed to me that publishing this article "could damage the relationship" between HardOCP and NVIDIA. As noted previously, we have been reviewing computer hardware for quite a while. What "damaging the relationship" means to us is that HardOCP will very likely not be doing any NVIDIA GPU reviews at launch time. It is very likely that AIBs and OEMs will be instructed to not to sample HardOCP for reviews on any of their video card products as well. If you do see NVIDIA video card reviews on HardOCP in the future, those will likely be fully funded in-house, as we will be required to purchase all of the review hardware from retail sources. We feel however that this story surely needs to be told.
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ROG还有AMD的显卡？战神4这种没什么讨论意义，matrix没有新的，波塞冬没有新的，一个屌头鹰就足够涵盖农企全部显卡产品，现在ROG只出N卡事实上就是这么回事了
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要说也是the king实在是……
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越看老黄越像东吴孙权
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信不信IA两家联合封杀N卡？
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靠深度学习市场也死不了 他可以显卡里集成ARM U 显卡为主做计算
不过N这么搞不会搞他不正当竞争吗
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nv在工业界营收没有想象中那么高，之前我一直说nv工业界多么多么牛，其实并没有那么高的营收。。。
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深度学习占营收10%左右吧
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不过google如果tpu搞起来也不好说
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可是老黄ppt里游戏只是一个千亿级市场，深度学习和自动驾驶都是万亿，两万亿的市场，游戏卡练10%都占不到啊
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也就是N目前确实受到了AI两家的联合绞杀那对AMD是重大利好啊，不怪得转帖机那么开心地转了这帖
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游戏有千亿那老黄每年连百亿都没有
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NV那么牛，Titan系列根本不给厂商，哪需要搞Partner Program，直接自己卖自己的公版卡不就得了
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最喜欢看奸商打架了，都来围歼 阉割圣手黄仁勋 吧
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以后a卡只有迪兰、蓝宝、xfx。。。还有。。。。华擎了？？？？？
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你这是当intel是傻子，cpu已经受amd的挑战了还要帮对手垄断显卡市场增加收入跟市场话语权。
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爱之深，恨之切
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劣币驱逐良币
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你还别说，游戏里孙权也倾向绿色……嗯，Intel魏，AMD蜀……连用户倾向的感情上都类似
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逼急了amd和intel的cpu故意爆个漏洞，就说对英伟达显卡支持不好，然后使n卡性能下降个50%。拖个一年半载说解决不了，英伟达估计就over了。当然也不可能这么搞
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然而A卡遭到了矿工的联合绞杀
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转贴机的消息里面，老黄基本无恶不作； 还好老黄身边的工程师还靠谱，芯片做的还行。 不然要么被收购要么破产了。
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还真像，玩三国游戏，势力颜色：曹操蓝色，刘备红色，孙权绿色。
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这算不算利用市场优势地位恶意竞争？
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老黄说眼里的市场潜力啊
不好意思我还高估了游戏在老黄眼里的价值老黄眼里AI市场前景是游戏的30倍，自动驾驶是100倍
游戏在老黄眼里连1%的价值都没有
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蛤？难道以前没有吗，还是说以前只在中国试点，现在全球推行了？
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涉嫌垄断了吧
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这算是不正当竞争吗
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财大气粗黄居然被intel绞杀？别搞笑好不，分明是屌丝intel被土豪黄追的满街乱窜瑟瑟发抖好不
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好久没来CHH，在这个贴子里看到很多熟悉面孔我穿越了？游戏里明明是刘备绿色、孙权红色好吧
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如果nv敢真干，肯定算了
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intel 和AMD的芯片组的主板默认NVpcie为1×速度，
可付费解锁，按每lan 100元收费
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膨胀了。。。赤裸裸的膨胀了
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有猛禽吧 电路 电子 维修 求创维42c08RD电路图 评论 电视的图纸很少见 评论 电视的图纸很少见 评论 创维的图纸你要说 版号，不然无能为力 评论 板号5800-p42ALM-0050 168P-P42CLM-01 电路 电子 维修 我现在把定影部分拆出来了。想换下滚，因为卡纸。但是我发现灯管挡住了。拆不了。不会拆。论坛里的高手拆解过吗？ 评论 认真看，认真瞧。果然有收
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